Terry: I will post the recipe that I am using later, but it will be chicken bog. I was looking in Paula's book for a good recipe that I could trim the points on and found it. I plan to make it this week. I'll probably do it Tuesday since Billy's plays poker that night. He won't be able to eat until late and that will give me time to make it! I am thinking I can get the points down to like 6-8. What do you think? I have never had it before but the recipe looks delicious and you said you really like bog one time.